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R341824
8 months ago
anthony
R341829
8 months ago
Rosebud

“Our country will not find peace until we take responsibility for our wars”

I don’t believe in Legacies. They are just ways of making some-one else pay a debt for something you did or, worse, getting punished for something you opposed and got got beat-up, peppered sprayed and tazered for. I have been threatened by “American Fascist” and, in fact, been physically beaten up for opposing this war. I have seen countless hours of video showing the public torture of American citizens (Protestors) opposed to this war by police using Pepper Spray in quite inventive ways and tazers used in ways that violate the instructions giving on use of this weapon. Yes, I said weapon. A large amount of the money appropriated for this war was awarded to companies indirectly owned by these people who illegally entered our military in to this war. In summation of previous words: they payed themselves for getting our country in trouble. That’s where most of the tax dollars went. Just like the Republicans payed them selves with large amounts of U.S. Tax dollars to prosecute Bill Clinton for being naughty in the Oval Office. Every one involved with this Kabuki (including Bill) knew it would add up to nothing in the end. I would not be amazed that all these creeps sat in a bar, drank together and had a good laugh after the case was over. I would prefer that the person that introduced the fine piece of literature realize we didn’t even vote these criminals into office. So trying to condemn us for not voting them into office is ridiculous. And blaming the citizens of this country for not revolting is basically like condemning us for not starting a bloody civil war against a government that outguns us. They are evening passing laws to disarm us and they, Democrats and Republicans, have just very recently repealed “Posse Comitatus”. I would highly suggest that you look these words up. When this War is supposedly over, the atrocities will not be over in our own country until these war criminals are arrested and tried in the world court and all their corporate accounts stuffed with our tax dollars are raided and the money is used to pay out our nations debts. But I don’t see that coming because, again, we are outgunned.

I know guys like Walt and I sympathize with them but please forgive me if I don’t feel as romantic about the warrior thing as you do but the people and warriors of my country have just been bent over and shamelessly screwed. It’s not over with at all.

P.S. I’m a Vet.

R341841
8 months ago
Rosebud

Also concerning children wanting to be soldiers and cops. I really believe that the average child that says “I want to be a soldier or a cop when I grow-up” is not thinking of Patriotism at all. Look at the video games that American children are playing at this very moment (right now!). Also, maybe we should change the name of the History Channel to the War Channel or maybe the Hitler Channel since it seems to be nothing more than a Tribute to the War that Adolph Hitler and Company started. I really believe they are saying “When I grow-up, I want to wear a uniform (or some other type of gang colors), get a gun and shoot some-one”.

To put this into a square real-life perspective: Almost every time a person in my area gets shot by a so-called “Gangster”, you can put money down on it as being a fact that the little sweetheart had just newly acquired the weapon and was itching to pull the trigger. Ahhh!! Feels like a brand new car. That is definitely Human nature.

The Humanist Manifest I, forged mainly by John Dewey (Father of Modern Education) in 1933, went on the presupposition that man was general good. The Humanist Manifesto II was written by Paul Kurtz and Edwin H. Wilson in 1973 and the assumption was changed, in light of WWII, from man being generally good to man having the ability to be good. Btw, I seem to remember, on the 1st publication back in the 70’s, that Isaac Asimov was also involved. This is my evidence of the state of human nature.

Good luck in your sincere search for truth.

R341844
8 months ago
verisimilar

Got turned on to both Yes! and Ode at the same time some years back by this cat who had a couple of Mark Ryden originals hanging on his walls, which I remember thinking was a bit paradoxical at the time. You should seek permission to republish more content from sources like that.

R341856
8 months ago
johnnycivil

Our troops do not enlist because they want to destroy or kill.

The author clearly knows nothing nor many soldiers and is talking out his self-affirming hippy dippy butt.

Those Roman legionaries were really great people who needed out support… none of them thought they would be raping, looting, or pillaging… it just happened

Those soldiers who enlist in the Corp., or go for flight or sniper or S.E.A.L. or Ranger training… they know what they are doing… and anyone who has been through basic knows what is about by week six…

Kill, kill… Hu Rah (One of 107? names for Allah in arabic and of course Ra, amen ra, the God of our masters… Amen)

R341884
8 months ago
anthony

Yes!, where I have contributed, sent this along to me. It’s a great magazine, which I urge everyone to subscribe to.

R341940
8 months ago
Rosebud

Those Roman legionaries were really great people who needed out support… none of them thought they would be raping, looting, or pillaging… it just happened

I agree with you Johnny. War can put young ones into scenarios they thought they would never be part of. The problem is when walk upon the situation it all looks surreal so you don’t know immediately how to act or react when one of you own group members decides to do the unthinkable.

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Verisimilar, Thanks for the turn-on to Mark Ryden. Great stuff.
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Anthony, Which Magazine? Yes! or Ode? :)

R341991
8 months ago
Ted

One veteran heals through a battlefield keepsake

This story originally aired Dateline NBC on May 25, 2008. It deals with PTSD and veterans from Vietnam to Iraq.

R341993
8 months ago
Ted

Our troops do not enlist because they want to destroy or kill.

That is not true. Just watch to Kristofer Goldsmith’s testimony at Winter Soldier

R342015
8 months ago
anthony

Ode is great too

R342036
8 months ago
HughMunBeane

“Our country will not find peace until we take responsibility for our wars”

Amerikans should worry more about the target on their backs than “finding” peace.
Peace will find YOU, if you take responsibility for your conquistidorial dominations. Founded on personal independences, my ass.

Bring back/sharpen up the guillotines. What worked on the aristocrats, can Shirley work on bureaucrats. Off with their frickin’ heads, I say! Cull the Herd! Do it Now.

R342037
8 months ago
HughMunBeane

The Goode book says to “forgive and forget”, but I keep a list, none the less. I’m all too tired of wankers who use apologies and “say yer sorrys” as a licence to continue bad behaviour.

R342038
8 months ago
HughMunBeane

It’s a sad comment on who controls you, when soldiering is a viable option to homelessness. You’ll probably notice that it’s only an interim solution, at best.

R342066
8 months ago
johnnycivil
R342436
8 months ago
Rosebud

Thanks, Anthony. I’ll check out Ode.

R343380
8 months ago
shades

As a vet I believe there is a correlation between PTSD and fighting in an unjust war. Years back while having a three months stay in a VA hospital I spoke with many Vietnam era vets (my era) and WWll vets. I found the WWll vets to be much sounder emotionally than the Vietnam vets. There was less anger and alienation on their part. The WWll vets all felt like it was a just and noble cause. I would like to see a study of the two groups. Further, WWll vets did have a cleansing when they came home. My father told me of the respect and love they received by their community upon returning. When I returned from the war in 1970 I merely finished my rotation without any attention or respect. It was a bizarre feeling going from, in 48 hours, the battlefield to my suburban home back in the states.

R343812
7 months ago
Rosebud

Welcome home shades. Hope everything works out for you in the job sector.

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