“When the need of the many must be sacrificed for the greed of the few” me :)

First, if Edwards had survived primary season, yes, I could clearly see this happen with him, and quite possibly before election day. But Barrak? Much harder to say, because it is very hard to gauge what, if any, real change of substance rather than just in style, he might actually do or attempt. If he does seriously threaten to undermine the project for the new American security state, though, that I think is the most likely reason it would happen.

However, I suspect if Barrak were elected, rather than being assassinated, he will likely be used as the “bag holder” for an earlier controlled implosion of the economy. If Hillary (or McCain), the wealthy may well hold off a few more years trying ever more outlandish financial schemes to suck those last pennies before that. It is increasingly hard to keep the illusion of a successful economy, though the wealthy want to try to long enough to get the social security trust fund into wallstreet and into their pockets before pulling the plug, but I think they might choose to finish the task a bit early with a potentially hostile (to the wealthy) president.

Hot.

Yes. People should vote based on whom is less likely to get shot by a crazy.

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Don’t worry Doris. Those same people are using him as a disguise. Zbiggy’s his number one adviser FFS.

LOL no ones going to get assassinated by the government. That is absolutely ridiculous, everyone plays for the same goddamn team guys, its called wealth. Obama’s already in the owners of this country’s pockets. Hes no different then any other politician. The only person that might, MIGHT try and kill him is some crazy racist. Besides I doubt the system is going to have anyone but eternal war McCain in office.

“you can’t blame Lessing, who obviously still frames her worldview based on her experiences in South Africa”

Are you trying to say that “won’t happen here?”

Me and some friends discussed this the other day, very possible, if he wins the nomination.

I listened carefully to Obama’s speech saturday night. It was powerfull. My right hand had somehow a tendency to make the imperial salute by itself.

Of course Obama isn’t a fascist but he is drawing on a very deep need for the US to be one again. He is a great orator and he comes in time of crisis.

When he spoke of a 4000$ college grant for everyone who is wishing to serve the country in return … I had a flashback of Germany 1933. It was a passing impression but left me troubled.

Nobody’s whacked Bush? Couldn’t even get him impeached.

Senator Obama isn’t a threat to the system, he’s part and parcel.

Whom do you suppose would be Obama’s likely choice for VP.

I’m betting it’s not Billary. That might get him shot.

Peace,

you can’t blame Lessing, who obviously still frames her worldview based on her experiences in South Africa

read my summary, i’m saying it has nothing to do with race.

I think to predict Obama’s assassination is to give him way too much credit.

Agreed.

The Obama campaign is a ruse to make Hillary seem electable.

Were it not for Obama, it would have been Edwards and Clinton as frontrunners.

She’s in a far better position now.

Oprah loved Bill too.

Peace,

I think to predict Obama’s assassination is to give him way too much credit.

with all respect, i don’t think you see the bigger picture here. it’s not always about the candidate. the real threat to political power in the United States is through an influx of insurgents who flood the establishment party apparatus. Read this.

Good article. Misleading title, in my view.

The campaign of Barack Hussein Obama has been inspirational for newly eligible and younger voters and of course across the age spectrum amongst black Americans.

The rallying of this necessary base that was unlikely to be stirred by Hillary’s campaign , though 42 had strong support among minority voters, will be essential if Hillary is to win in November.

More of an allegiance than an insurgency.

Worth remembering that in politics, impacts and outcomes can be anticipated and manipulated. There is no “insurgent” threat to the real political power base in this country that owes its allegiance only to gaining and holding power, not political party nor platform.

Peace,

The Barack Obama presidential campaign virtually guaranteed the marginalization of John Edwards, with whom actual differences in policy existed between himself and Clinton to a far greater extent than policy differences she has with Obama.

Obama’s presidential campaign and heightened national prominence will go far in helping him maintain his seat in the U.S. Senate. I expect he’ll remain there for some time to come. The political career of John Edwards is likely over.

When the race between Hillary and Obama remains tight through to the Democratic convention with both their bases highly mobilized, she then wins the majority of the delegates at the convention, the strong Democratic political momentum should carry over to result in a win for Hillary in the November general election.

That’s how the insiders see this game.

Sometimes no Piece

Well, I guess we disagree on the power that people have to change their paradigm. After all, if they didn’t, why would politicians be assassinated at all? Obama is not part of the military industrial establishment. Not yet. And for that reason he is a danger. But again, the title does not refer to his insurgency, it refers to the one Walter Karp describes in his fascinating book, Indispensable Enemies, an influx of idealistic voters who could change the corrupt system of party politics by coming into the Democratic machine.

But I guess it’s better to save the discussion for after the article is published.

Obama’s not a grass roots candidate, his campaign is dependent and rife with corporate donations. Corporate sponsorship put him in the Senate and is now investing in keeping him there.

Edwards was running a populist campaign. Focus on the was.

Peace,

But again, the title does not refer to his insurgency, it refers to the one Walter Karp describes in his fascinating book, Indispensable Enemies, an influx of idealistic voters who could change the corrupt system of party politics by coming into the Democratic machine.

The U.S. political machine is the U.S. political machine. It is not Republican nor Democrat, it simply insures the success of both and the destruction of all others.

Sometimes no Peace

Obama’s not a grass roots candidate

you don’t read or listen or whatever. common people who are behind him represent a grass roots campaign. i feel like i am talking to a robot.

One of you needs to slowly walk out of the room.

me!

Common people support all candidates with their vote and all politicians accept individual political contributions, but that doesn’t make Obama’s campaign “grassroots.”

Sure he’s got popular support. No politician could get elected otherwise.

But it’s corporations and special interest groups that decide who makes the cut and for what motives in U.S. presidential politics.

No corporate sponsorship, no hope of making that cut, in no small part because the MSM is corporate.

A “grassroots campaign” is funded with the contributions of individuals, no corporate or special interest funding and leaves the candidate owing these interests nothing upon election.

Unfortunately that’s not going to happen on the presidential level here in the “Land of the Free” until the people or the political system (right) outlaw and cap anything other than individual political donations.

Peace,

But it’s corporations and special interest groups that decide who makes the cut and for what motives in U.S. presidential politics.

i agree 100%. but would add that the military side of it has a different agenda as well. someone friendly to big business is not necessarily the Pentagon’s first choice. for a lot of people on Wall Street, George Bush was an unholy nightmare. The war has been brutal for many US brands and played havoc with the market in general. so we have to be clear that there is no monolithic “business” candidate… but yes:

Unfortunately that’s not going to happen here in the “Land of the Free” until the people or the political system (right) outlaws and caps anything other than individual political donations.

there’s the ray of hope i was looking for! thank you.

Fundamentally, I think we see it in a similar fashion, but from different vantages.

While there is certainly no monolithic “business” candidate, nor position for that matter, the “MIC” for lack of a better term, is firmly entrenched and in full control of the non-aligned political machine of which we both speak.

Reform of the current system of political contributions is the only hope of actually establishing democracy and until media is far more diversified than it currently is, still represents only a hope.

Keep the faith. You’re certainly doing you’re part in the political education and diversification of the media aspects of implementing the “revolution.”

Peace,

“Reform of the current system of political contributions is the only hope of actually establishing democracy and until media is far more diversified than it currently is, still represents only a hope.”

Thanks for adding that. It almost sums it up. Instant Run Off voting implemented on a national level would definitely be a huge step as well.

I’m certainly not against the concept of Instant Run Off, but don’t see it as a panacea or a viable stand alone solution to the current dillema.

Back to the “grassroots” issue.

With the elimination of Edwards and Paul on the verge of withdrawal from the presidential race to refocus on maintaining his seat in the U.S. House of Representatives, Obama has become the least of the corporate “evils” amongst the presidential front runners evidenced by his own proclamation.

“We have funded our campaign with $25, $50, $100 donations from people in this audience. And so that means that I am answerable to the public in a way that Senator Clinton who’s raised more money from PACs and special interests than John McCain has, hasn’t.”

Ouch. I think that line was meant to end with “isn’t.”

According to the FEC as of New Year’s Day 2008, Obama’s campaign was funded entirely by individual contributions totaling $102,084,977 donated by 84,080 individuals listed by the FEC.

That’d be considerably more than $1,000.00 per Obama’s average political contributor.

Far better than PAC funding though fact is PAC money isn’t really much of a factor in presidential political campaigns, though media coverage can absolutely make or break a candidate (the Dean scream) and is heavily influenced by business interests, as in advertisers.

Peace,

Anyone can get shot at any time.

At Obama or the presidency?

What if Obama is assassinated in office ?

I wrote an essay on this subject because I believe it could lead to a US collapse, this is a synopsis.

I would first say that I am against anyone killing anyone and hope this never happens to any president, but historically presidents have been assassinated and that possibility should be open for free discussion.

What would happen if Obama is assasinated in office ? There are well organized and armed groups that absolutely will not allow the US to have a non-white president. There are many more individual radicals that have this same view. The chances of one or more of these people planning and carrying out an assination attempt on Obama if he is elected is very high in my opinion.

If an attempt is successful what would be the effect in the US, and what if this assassination included his wife and children ?
When president Kennedy was assassinated it was a white man killing a white man and the entire nation except for a few disenfranchised people mourned and were brought closer as the result. I do not believe that will be the case in the event Obama is assassinated by a white man especially if this white man has any ties to the radical aryan groups we have in the US.
We have allready witness how many blacks reacted after the beating of Rodney King and the subsequent trial. There were riots in many black neighborhoods and violence against innocent white people. Just imagine what will be the reaction if Obama is killed by a white man!

I believe if an assassination does occur it may quickly escalate into an all out civil race war. This will reult in marshal law and the national guard will be deployed. But our national guard has lots of black men enlisted so what will our gov do. Will they arm these black soldiers and expect them to kill other black people in the event of major civil dissobedience ?

You will see guerilla warfare with black leaders and white leaders taking law into there own hands. Anyone and everyone has a gun these days and they will be used. Prisons are ultra full of black men that will riot and kill any white inmates and this will require more effort by the National guard and local authorities to contain leaving our streets vulnerable. People will try to leave the US but other countries will seal their borders for fear of a mass US migration.
Power plants, factories, stores, and financial institutions will close out of fear of racial attacks. People will be cold, hungry and possibly homeless as the national guard and guerilla groups take over cities and kill or imprison opposing parties. I believe you will see atrocities that will rival that of Hitlers concentration camps, and it will all be in high definition courtesy of our media which will further infuriate and feed the panic.

The US will be divided int a north and south or black and white and people not willing to move will be moved or killed I fear.
Other countries like Europe may want to help but many countries will do nothing and enjoy the civil war the US is facing and hope if the US collapses they can step in and sweep up the spoils.

Countries that are muslim may even support the black muslims guerilla soldiers with money, supplies and weapons. White people will want to defend themselves but most white people do not have the kill to survive at all costs mentality that guerilla fighters will and they will be overcome.

power plants, military bases, and nuclear weapons facilities will fall into the hand of guerillas and it is possible these could be used by radical groups within our own borders on our own people.

If leaders of the newly formed white and black nations can work out a peace treaty they may be able to co-exist on this tiny continent, but I think that would be difficult and only the stronger will survive. Which is that ? Well thats up to you to figure out!

privatemax

pm, if the unthinkable occured, it would not result in an “all-out race war”, because huge amounts of whites would side with the blacks.

Obama’s Black!

who knew?

Here is a thought…

Obama wins the presidency. A new day is said to have dawned. He is shortly assassinated.

All the talking heads, politicians and religious leaders call for unity in the face of this tragedy and caution people to not use violence as a means of protest.

Americans listen and do nothing but pray and hold silent vigils, which is to say that they do nothing. The VP becomes Prez and the country goes on, but with the new Leader Of The Free World having ‘In The Name Of Obama’ as a get-out-of-jail-free card that never expires…

Or is that too far out?

nope

Were too flouridated to sustain a civil war. Maybe 100 years ago but today nah. However that is an interesting scheme to enact real martial law in the US. What if Obama as president is just a means to that end?

Cant we just all get along and pay our taxes so that we can build more military bases in the oil producing regions?

However that is an interesting scheme to enact real martial law in the US. What if Obama as president is just a means to that end?

I’m not buying into it, (See my previous posts in this thread) but the ultimate chaos scenario would be a post election Obama assassination prior to his inauguration with Bush and Cheney still at the helm. That’d rock the boat.

Ever Wonder?

The “If there’s a nigger in the white house, someone will shoot him” cliche. McKinley was shot…we was white….Garfield was shot…he was white. Reagan was shot…white.

Occupational Hazard. If somebody would take a shot at the gipper….seems to me all bets are off.

BTW...Service to your country is only fascism if it’s mandated. Someone tell me what’s wrong with serving in the peace corps or the DNR and getting money for college in return.

I forgot my tinfoil hat today

Dave – McKinley was shot…we was white….Garfield was shot…he was white. Reagan was shot…white.

To be fair, they all had it coming…

So true…at least of Reagan and McKinley (not that I endorse the shooting of bad presidents, of course)...I don’t actually remember anything about James Garfield, except that his name is James Garfield.

hey neo-nazi scum, we may not support Obama, but we will oppose you and your fascist agenda in the streets, if necessary.

some hilariously inaccurate predictions itt

kinda makes me want to go back through all the older threads from the primary